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Title: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on July 17, 2017, 05:45:30 PM
Looks like Biff stole my Time Montero and traveled back and changed future events so the world is similar to the world I remember from 2 weeks ago, just small changes like my wife is 10lbs thinner and my Montero has a sunroof and champagne colored paint now.      And I still don't want to mess around with no reefer addicts. 

It's weird but I think I'll get used to it.

Stay tuned. 






Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Crumb on July 17, 2017, 06:40:57 PM
 That tire cover just makes me smile every time I see it. Coworkers must think I'm a crazy person.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on July 17, 2017, 06:52:41 PM
Gonna look even better when public service Swede Beans goes into effect!
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on July 19, 2017, 11:13:06 AM
Gack distribution is different in this dimension than in that other time narrative I was on before.

The one I remember from before was a relatively clean truck for some period of time and then appears to have suffered a rather sudden and explosive course of neglect, abuse and gackination.

This time, in this narrative I find a slow accretion of gack and some remnants of minor off-pavement use, perhaps a long time ago. 















Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on July 19, 2017, 12:42:49 PM
update your signature. Should I sit aside one of the Gen 2 stainless mid skids for you?
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on July 19, 2017, 01:04:49 PM
update your signature. Should I sit aside one of the Gen 2 stainless mid skids for you?

I have a mid skid (OEM) and as much as I'd love to be a rolling ADD advert,  best money right away is going to be spent on Bilsteins and a kingpin and maybe if I do really well on my soon-to-be-announced yard sale, a track bar and springs.   
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: PA_JERO on July 19, 2017, 02:13:31 PM
Did the mid skids get finished? My OEM one is smashed.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Crumb on July 19, 2017, 04:30:18 PM
Yup they done!
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on July 20, 2017, 12:49:40 PM
I had to meet with family for dinner last night so I didn't get a ton of degackination done but I spent a solid hour under there with the pressure gun and I have to say this particular truck's gack is tenacious and does NOT want to let go.    I did some OK damage to it.. but damn.

I will probably be putting the transfer case from my parts pile into this truck - any tips are welcome.     As for checking the FSM?  I bought a paper set, it's in the mail.    So I can refer to that too but still any human suggestions are welcome.     
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Crumb on July 20, 2017, 12:54:02 PM
That stuff under yours looks like undercoating
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on July 20, 2017, 01:03:32 PM
Some of it sort of looks like undercoating but there's also a lot of spray/oil gack from leaks.   

I knocked a hell of a lot of it loose...   think when I remove the front axle assembly I'll have to get back under there and do some more, in fact I might start on that today.     This truck appears to have two good cv axles so I'm not sure if I should put the new axles I bought in there already or just hang onto the virgin ones as my spares.   

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: PA_JERO on July 20, 2017, 10:31:54 PM
If your going to have the diff out, those cv's have to come out, so put the 100mm cv's you bought in, and use the ones currently on the truck as spares. It's my opinion, regardless of what shape cv boots appear to be in, once constant use gets put to old boots, they will inevitably split. I would reboot the 100mm cv's and regressed of course. Then put them in during diff swap action.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on July 21, 2017, 06:09:42 PM
Things are going sort of slow because of work and stuff but I got the right tires on it now..



Next job is a little interior decorating,  and my new motor mounts arrived today.         Trans mounts need replacement too but I've already put in a request with Toasty that he get me a couple ADD Siberian bushings to rework my trans mount that way like his.        I also ordered new tie rod ends and ball joints.

Next Friday I need to place my order for with ADD for Bilsteins because the front tires that came on this truck are scalloped pretty bad and that can only really mean a couple things..   I don't really feel like letting my perfectly good new tires suffer the same fate.     

I really hope that this engine turns out to be good,  then I can maybe offer up my reserve engine that Pa_Jero and Toasty helped me bring back to life,  to one of the three people who have already asked me (in the order they asked,  so if you also need an engine get in line!   ;D )   -  that would help ease the financial curve ball I've been chewing on these last couple weeks. 

 

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on July 23, 2017, 10:01:23 PM
Today Toasty and I gave my engine a quick inspection and I decided I'll just go ahead and put a new timing belt and water pump and all that good stuff on this one and proceed in that manner.     

So.. another $350 in parts have been ordered.   Ouch.    Have I mentioned I still need to buy suspension goodies?     Here I am using ADD's forum and I have yet to even place an ADD parts order.. 

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Crumb on July 23, 2017, 10:18:19 PM
You have shirts! That counts!
 Also i need that crossmember! I'll replace it with a smashed to shit one.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on July 23, 2017, 10:42:47 PM
Haha I didn't even buy the shirts!    I bought two stickers and a patch..   

But for real I need to buy Bilsteins before the October trip there's no way I'm going to just chew up a brand new set of tires with these used up,  prehistoric shocks that are on it. 
Title: Seems like I just did this..
Post by: Shovel on July 25, 2017, 09:11:23 PM
Action continues. 

I removed the interior,  removed the carpet.   Gack abounds.

Some gack,  you know how it got there.    You know what it is.

This gack is a strange odorless yellow oil.   I have no idea what it is.   I have not yet tasted it but the night is young.    I don't know how this vehicle got this yellow stuff in the carpet but it's everywhere,  front to back.  Both sides.   It doesn't appear to be in the headliner or upholstery,  but it's everywhere on and under the carpet and it makes me want to wash my hands twice every minute. 











This carpet comes out and gets cleaned as thoroughly as I can manage,  in fact I started on it already, soaking it first with Maestro Limpio Meadows & Rain Household Cleanser and then basically just letting the garden hose run wild on it,  then spraying it all down with Greased Lignthing and working it into the carpet, letting it sit,  more garden hose rinsing....     My water bill this month is going to suck.   

Why am I cleaning this carpet when I have brand new carpet? 

Two reasons;  first I want to use this carpet as a template to cut the new carpet & don't want to immediately filth up the new carpet.   Second,  this stuff is in pretty decent shape under the filth so I'm trying to bring it back, then there's a young man in Clay's household with a Montero that needs new carpet so he can install this and be a little less scruffy when picking up girls.     Nothing wins over a lady's affection like a clean ride that smells of Maestro Limpio Meadows & Rain Household Cleanser!   



Title: THEY JUST WON'T STOP SHOWING UP
Post by: Shovel on July 25, 2017, 09:32:44 PM
PARTS WHY WON'T THEY STOP SHOWING UP I JUST KEEP GETTING MORE AND MORE PARTS THE DELIVERY GUY IS PROBABLY SICK OF MY SHIT BY NOW



So where am I on this right now?    Let's do a sanity check:


After all that is done,  there's still like.. new paint job,  putting some tunes in it,  locating 4.90 gears and having Ernest install them in my locking 3rd member,  install a compressor for the locker...

Oh and then drive to Utah with some of you mofos! 
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Hooots on July 26, 2017, 02:28:47 PM
Kudos for doing the most labor intensive jobs during monsoon humidity  ;)

Are you planning on adding a radiant barrier or sound dampener like fatmat or dynamat? Reflectix under the headliner maybe?
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on July 26, 2017, 09:44:42 PM
Gack removal is ongoing,  this yellow oil stuff is tenacious!!!

I was going to be gentle but that wasn't cutting it so I got BRUTAL AND RUTHLESS



The yellow oil turns purple when attacked with Scrubbing Bubbles... that's kind of weird. 

I used all of my gallon jug of Maestro Limpio Meadows & Rain Household Cleanser,  plus most of my Scrubbing Bubbles... 


The gentle approach was not working one bit. 

I also got sick of the amount of oil permeated into the carpet and decided that a few cups of detergent and a trash can was the only way to fly.      Barely made a dent!!


So that got agitated, soaked, agitated, soaked, dumped...   then a whole bottle of Dawn Ultra dish soap and more agitation and soaking - in fact it's out there right now thinking about what it's done. 



All that gack floating in the foam?   This is on something like round six or round seven of cleaning.. and it's still like that.     Man,  I was really hoping this wouldn't be a lost cause but if the overnight Dawn soak and more agitation tomorrow doesn't do the trick I will abandon my idea of using this as a template and if Clay still wants it I guess he can have it but.. maybe he won't want it.   I dunno. 

Didn't really get anything else done because this all took a lot of time    :(

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on July 30, 2017, 12:06:30 AM
Slept poorly last night, woke up with a migraine.  There went my plans to accomplish anything today   :(     I did purchase a sink/vanity/etc for my upstairs bathroom & it's partially installed now so SOME stuff did get done. 

I also picked up a new transfer case shifter from Toasty & as suspected, my old one had the red ball and it was very much dead.   Thanks Toasty!!





New one's in there now, used black silicone adhesive to seal up the top where previously there was grey silicone.     I think I'll have to do this all again in a little while but that's a story for another time.

Also began installing carpet,  I had bought the more expensive "mass backed" carpet from ACC and it's thick and unruly.    This is going to be a bit of work.   I didn't get very far.    I really want to be done reassembling the interior this weekend,  at least the floor/seats.    I have to take the door cards out later but again - that's a story for another time. 

I think almost all of my parts are in other than the Bilsteins and the ADD kingpin I have yet to order (been beating the crap out of my bank account here.. :(  )  so at this point it's mostly just waiting on me to actually finish stuff.     There is a cascading list of things I have to do in order..  carpet sets it all in motion from here.   Whoo!

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on August 10, 2017, 02:43:32 PM
The interior is a step closer to done - yay!

New carpet is in - I have a couple mistakes to correct but it's in.

Seats are back in.   Again, a couple problems to correct but they're in.   I think I need to rework the folding mechanism on the rear seats, they're entirely without function.

Jumpseats out permanently.   I wonder how many Montero jumpseats have never been used,  ever.. and then just thrown out.   

ADD kingpin ordered,  I asked Josh not to send it because we're local, why cut UPS in on the profits?   

Anyway not much else to report, yet... but I have a feeling things will be moving quickly here. 


Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on August 12, 2017, 04:30:45 PM
Time to change my signature... It runs!
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: PajEvo on August 13, 2017, 10:28:37 PM
Those seat covers are diaBOLICAL! Love where this build is going! Might be a template for how to clean an interior thoroughly too? Wonder where the purple came from? Maybe we don't even wanna know...  ::)
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on August 14, 2017, 02:33:36 PM
Today was a big day,  insured the Montero, printed out a 3 day permit to get it smogged, and drove it to work!  UNF!!!     

So this was my first on-the-roads, not just neighborhood streets drive.     It's quiet,  has the expected amount of power,  throttle response is good and the transmission seems to behave itself.

No check engine light (and yes the bulb isn't burned out.. it lights up on first turning the key) - not much smoke in the exhaust and it doesn't seem to smoke once it's warmed up.    I'm certain I will need to do the valve guide seals but damn I would love to smog it and have it legal and registered and be over THAT hurdle first.   

The steering is jello and the brakes are unsafe crap,  if I had known how bad the brakes are I would not have driven it today but that's where I am right now.  Bleh.    I have new brake pads ready to go in and new rear discs,  the fronts look really good... just haven't gotten to that point yet.  A job for this week. 

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: JohnnyBfromPeoria on August 20, 2017, 10:20:15 AM
You need to update this thread!

John B.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on August 20, 2017, 12:27:40 PM
You need to update this thread!

John B.

There's only so much to update! 

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on August 25, 2017, 09:14:08 AM
Minor update.
I have not been working on the Montero this week due to other tasks and obligations.   It has seriously just been sitting.   

I hate when projects sit,  but I bit off a lot of things at once and it's been a real slog chewing through them.
 
Noteworthy is that between the axle I still need to get from PaJero, the stuff in my garage and the stuff Ty has,   both myself and Ty have all of the hard parts necessary to equip both of our Monteros with 4.90 gears and lockers.  That's not a bad accomplishment, it took us quite a lot of hours out in the sun getting dirty and using mechanic techniques that we would not be proud of in our own garages. 

Now that we have most of the parts we need to go about the work of actually installing them..   that's going to be its own chore and one I do really want to finish by October - though I have to acknowledge I may not.    We'll see. 



Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on August 26, 2017, 07:11:12 PM
I connected that ground strap between the driver side exhaust manifold and the ac compressor today.   Shit was lit AF.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on August 27, 2017, 09:45:52 PM
I know that pictures are king, and I have none to share.

Today I installed rear speakers & Noico sound deadener in back and removed the rearmost seat belts.    Rewired the aftermarket stereo that the previous owner had put in badly, removed the lower dash speakers, haven't touched the doors yet.   

Did more pressure degacking under the vehicle and finally was able to put away some damn tools for a change, my garage looked like a tornado had been through.    Still not good but.. damn it was bad.   

Installed led lights in the gauge cluster but some of the ones I bought were crap. So my gauges are half led half incandescent..  the good thing is now all the lights actually work.   

We had existing commitments to go have dinner with Staceys coworkers so I stopped work and drove the Montero to Chandler.. so far so good!  No weird noises, no crap.   For the time being I think the engine and transmission are working.

So... Now that it works and is drivable, time to tear it back down so I can regear and replace all the suspension parts.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: PA_JERO on August 28, 2017, 07:12:46 AM
Did you ever work out your wierd engine noise you were talking about?
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on August 28, 2017, 09:32:17 AM
Did you ever work out your wierd engine noise you were talking about?

Finally got into it Saturday afternoon,   it turned out to be the alternator.   I had a 2nd one in the parts pile so I swapped them and the problem's solved. 

I want to dig into the noisy alternator and find out why it was doing that, see if it's repairable.   It works, anyway - but things that make weird noises usually don't work very long so if I can repair that I'll have a good spare.    I guess it's a functional spare now but not a trustworthy one.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: PA_JERO on August 28, 2017, 11:49:01 AM
Ok good, glad you got that figured out for the time being.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on August 28, 2017, 12:19:15 PM
I have the same yellow-ish odorless oily stuff gacking up the interior of my truck.  Carpets make me feel super gross every time i touch them.  NO idea what it is.

What did you think of the DLZ suspension/steering kit?  I bought it as well.  Pleasantly surprised as to the quality of the parts.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on August 28, 2017, 01:22:42 PM
I have the same yellow-ish odorless oily stuff gacking up the interior of my truck.  Carpets make me feel super gross every time i touch them.  NO idea what it is.


Wow really?     I had just sort of figured maybe this guy spilled a jug full of something - gross but not suspicious.

But what are the chances we both got the same odorless oil?   That suddenly becomes weird. 

I have a picture I have to take later and share with you on that topic.   
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on August 28, 2017, 01:30:31 PM
What did you think of the DLZ suspension/steering kit?  I bought it as well.  Pleasantly surprised as to the quality of the parts.

As of right now it's still in boxes,  I have been waiting to have everything ready all at the same time so I could just hammer it all in - finally got my 4.90 AWD front axle this week so I can tear the front end down and put all the suspension/steering goodies in, the front axle in & the new motor mounts and SR CV axles.     

Cheap parts are always a funny sort of a game from the perspective of manufacturing cost... like what's the real difference in cost to manufacture a good ball joint or a bad ball joint?      If a ball joint that's good for 6 months costs $18 at retail and a kick ass 10+ year top quality one costs $80...  does the high end one really cost that much more to manufacture?     Exactly how much cheaper is fall-apart-in-a-month rubber than rest of your life rubber?        It seems like the majority of the cost is in the engineering and machines and tooling and manufacturing facility and labor and warehousing and shipping.. all of which should be pretty much identical between a top quality part and a bottom quality part.    So how does the actual part grade factor into the retail cost?

Truly a question for the ages. 
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on August 28, 2017, 01:33:55 PM
Yep, i've spent every bit of 4 hours trying to bring my carpets back.  I've tried a steam cleaner as well as the normal "scrub-in-a-can" stuff.  It just keeps coming up.  When i peeled back the carpet to run wires for the new stereo, there was a lot of it. Super gross.  I gagged.  Gacked, even.

My stuff has a VERY slight odor, but it may just be picking up general funkiness of the carpet/interior.  Truck has been under water a couple times.  Came from NorCal, appears it was owned by one of Eurosonic's cousins.

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on August 28, 2017, 01:37:35 PM
What did you think of the DLZ suspension/steering kit?  I bought it as well.  Pleasantly surprised as to the quality of the parts.

As of right now it's still in boxes,  I have been waiting to have everything ready all at the same time so I could just hammer it all in - finally got my 4.90 AWD front axle this week so I can tear the front end down and put all the suspension/steering goodies in, the front axle in & the new motor mounts and SR CV axles.     

Cheap parts are always a funny sort of a game from the perspective of manufacturing cost... like what's the real difference in cost to manufacture a good ball joint or a bad ball joint?      If a ball joint that's good for 6 months costs $18 at retail and a kick ass 10+ year top quality one costs $80...  does the high end one really cost that much more to manufacture?     Exactly how much cheaper is fall-apart-in-a-month rubber than rest of your life rubber?        It seems like the majority of the cost is in the engineering and machines and tooling and manufacturing facility and labor and warehousing and shipping.. all of which should be pretty much identical between a top quality part and a bottom quality part.    So how does the actual part grade factor into the retail cost?

Truly a question for the ages.

Yep, we run into this in Miata Land as well.

In my experience, all the aftermarket stuff is the same.  It's NOT actually the same, but you get the same crap shoot because no matter what name is on the box, it's probably coming from the same place.  Not much way to tell if the part is going to last 10k miles or 100k miles.  It either fits or it doesn't.  Either has a ton of play out of the box, or it doesn't.

OEM parts are even going that road as well.  With so many part revisions/numbers superceded over the last 25 years, undoubtably the supplier has changed a time or ten. 

If i was PILING miles on the Monty, i'd probably consider springing for all OEM stuff in the front end.  But i'm not, and luckily the truck is pretty easy to work on, so when i can buy an entire front end rebuild and not immediately be repulsed at the horrible quality when i open the box, for $140 shipped.  That'll do, pig.

Obviously certain things need to be oem.  The idler, mainly so i can get the ADD rebuild kit.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on August 29, 2017, 08:13:22 AM
Yep, i've spent every bit of 4 hours trying to bring my carpets back.  I've tried a steam cleaner as well as the normal "scrub-in-a-can" stuff.  It just keeps coming up.  When i peeled back the carpet to run wires for the new stereo, there was a lot of it. Super gross.  I gagged.  Gacked, even.


After two manually agitated baths in a clean garbage can with laundry detergent, I draped the carpet outside to dry and after it had finished drying I brought it indoors and hung it across my work table so it wouldn't get creased up from folding.   So it decided to drip more oil onto The floor.  I don't even know where it's coming from.

 




Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on August 29, 2017, 09:43:11 AM
Hah well thanks for trying this for science.  I'll just buy a new carpet, thanks.  :D
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on September 03, 2017, 04:49:57 PM
Going to have to post photos at some point..  but this weekend I removed the decals from the doors (fake cladding) and installed new motor mounts, 4.90 awd front diff, and new upper control arms, ball joints (all) and tie rod ends.   Not done yet, I have a few more tasks to complete before buttoning the front together.   So now no more awd or 4wd until the rear gears match the front. 
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on September 06, 2017, 04:51:07 AM
Going to have to post photos at some point..  but this weekend I removed the decals from the doors (fake cladding) and installed new motor mounts, 4.90 awd front diff, and new upper control arms, ball joints (all) and tie rod ends.   Not done yet, I have a few more tasks to complete before buttoning the front together.   So now no more awd or 4wd until the rear gears match the front.

What's your method of choice for removing the fake rocker decals?  Mine are a little torn up from being bounced off rocks, and i wouldn't mind removing them if it isn't a 4 hour ordeal. 
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: haolepinoy on September 06, 2017, 09:27:24 AM
Shovel, there has to be a good story behind those ridiculous seat covers. Care to share?
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on September 06, 2017, 10:05:05 AM

What's your method of choice for removing the fake rocker decals?  Mine are a little torn up from being bounced off rocks, and i wouldn't mind removing them if it isn't a 4 hour ordeal.

whizzy wheel!

It's a rubber wheel that attaches with a threaded arbor to your power drill.   Then you just go outside, put on a painter mask,  and whizz away at it for a really long time.. eventually it sort of looks like you're done!   But you're not!

Rinse it all off, then whizz some more... then wash it more,  THEN you're sort of done.   But remember that your paint is completely naked now so you should probably wax it right away if you aren't going to repaint it some other color. 

I was able to do all of my fake cladding with one whizzy wheel, barely - but the wheel does wear off very quickly so keep that in mind while you're working so you don't end up having to buy multiple $25 wheels.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on September 06, 2017, 10:08:16 AM
Shovel, there has to be a good story behind those ridiculous seat covers. Care to share?

My favorite thing about them is that there is not a story behind them at all.     They just exist.   They didn't exist before, and now they exist.   They're a thing now. 
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on September 11, 2017, 09:18:49 AM
Progress continues.. 






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We're getting really close!!! 

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on September 11, 2017, 10:05:38 AM
You guys aren't messing around.  :)

How much beer do i need to bring out to the AZ crew if i were to bribe my way into a visit/refreshing of my truck?  ;)
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on September 11, 2017, 10:28:07 AM
You guys aren't messing around.  :)

How much beer do i need to bring out to the AZ crew if i were to bribe my way into a visit/refreshing of my truck?  ;)

We had some conversations about this kind of stuff this weekend a little...  the AZ Crew is very much a community where we help each other out on stuff,  share parts and labor and beverages and tacos,   try to throw business at each other (if an AZ Crew dude works at a sandwich shop that's where I'm buying lunch if I can) but all of us can remember times when someone reached out to us for help and got it,  then disappeared and never invested themselves in the community.      So this is very much a reputation economy. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_man_(anthropology))


I did pitch the idea to Toasty that it would be really cool if Adventure Driven Design could somehow become profitable as a riff from what Mohenic is doing;   putting the romance in necromancing old steel..    then the AZ Crew would be more than just some dudes who throw wrenches around each others' garage when somebody's in a bind and could really be churning out some kick ass trucks!     I think it might be time to mob on Pa_Jero's house and help him put his beef 2dr back on the road before Christmas. 

 I'm no more involved in ADD than just being friends with Toasty & his family and more recently friends with IncorporatedX but I do try to help them with their success;  saying truthfully positive things about their business everywhere I can, actually buying their products and trying to put together a promotional film next month with some prominent advertising both for ADD and for the classy, capable adventure coach that Monteros prove themselves to be. 

For your truck?    All I can say is the more often we share good times with people the more enthusiastic we get about helping each other have the best rigs possible.   
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on September 11, 2017, 11:03:23 AM
Sure, i didn't mean for you to "be the face."  We treat our own the same way in Miataland, but there's a whole lot more of us than Montero owners.  :P

25 months later.... looks like i'm finally getting settled (kindof) on my old beloved XJ, so once this race season dies down i'll be finally investing into the Monty.  I've filled up a cart with the entire ADD catalog a few times (ok a couple dozen) and it'll be awesome to finally make it real.  :)


Question, though:

The front hubs/spindles, are they completely rebuildable off the truck?  Or does having everything on them interfere with re-installation?
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on September 11, 2017, 11:39:11 AM

The front hubs/spindles, are they completely rebuildable off the truck?  Or does having everything on them interfere with re-installation?

There's not really anything that would impede installation of any part,  they come off and go on in sequence with or without the knuckle assembly on the truck and can be installed as a unit onto the A-arms.   The only interference fit is the caliper itself, for obvious reasons and you have to despindle the bearing assembly in order to replace the brake disk (the disk doesn't just flop off the "front" after you remove the wheel)
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: PA_JERO on September 11, 2017, 06:50:44 PM
Truck is looking fantastic dude, can't wait to see it rolling down the trail kicking all kinds of ass.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on September 13, 2017, 08:25:03 AM
Comin up soon Pa_Jero!! 

Yesterday I uhh.. fixed.. a couple stupid mistakes I had made.   Like I had reassembled the driver front hub without re-tightening the brake disc onto the hub assembly,  that probably wouldn't have ended well but I remembered it last Saturday and finally got around to fixing it last night.     

Installed the new Bilsteins all around,  bought a box of cotter pins because the ones that came with my new ball joints were garbage - installed the pins.    Greased every zerk. 

The O2 sensors (Bosch) that RockAuto sent me were wrong..   er, I don't know if they were right or wrong but the wires are too short they're a whole foot shorter than the wires on the O2 sensors that came off.   So I ordered Densos from O'Reilly and am returning the RockAuto ones.      California emissions O2 sensors are a different part number than Federal for Gen 2.5.

I guess at this point the jobs I have left to do are install the new O2 sensors,  bleed the brakes,  re-check everything one last time,  go get the truck aligned, reinstall skid plates & give the truck a good wash.     

I have new front speakers to install but I may or may not get around to that before October since my work schedule is pretty busy right now. 
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on September 16, 2017, 07:26:10 AM
Man this is now getting a little bit demotivating..     I feel like I'm so close, all I need to do is get an alignment and wait for Ernest to finish with my 3rd member and slap that in. 

That's it.

Except that this morning I found a little green drip from the back of the engine again.     

After I replaced the heater hoses and the TB heater hoses. 

 >:(

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on September 17, 2017, 01:49:13 PM
Waiting for permetex to cure.. 

I did the best I could repacking the rear wheel bearings,  installed the 4.90 rear 3rd with a Sport LSD in it..  installed some speakers and a modest head unit.. and a bunch of Noico sound deadener. 

Because I'm a dork I cleaned the heck out of the inside of the axle while I had the 3rd member out,   it wasn't really bad in there just the layer of metal dust from 280k miles of work.  The magnet barely even had a little beard on it.     But I scrubbed it all to shine so I'm not letting last decade's metal dust invade this decade's off road action. 

Yesterday I took the truck outside and washed it,  washed the engine a bit too since it had gathered dust and I wanted to rinse away any antifreeze from the hose replacement job & see if the drip I had before was just leftovers from that.

Good news, no new drips today.    So maybe it was just leftovers! 

I'm going to throw new brakes on the back since I have 'em.. it doesn't need them but I already bought the pads so this gets that job done for the forseeable  future. 

The most exciting part of all this?    Being able to CLEAN EVERYTHING UP!! My house is a mess,  everything is a mess.   I've spent my evenings just doing wrench crap and work,  so the household has suffered.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on September 24, 2017, 11:20:43 PM
With the truck all buttoned up I've just been driving it - not off pavement yet, but plenty of highway.   Put around 500 miles on it this weekend! 

I picked up my ADD kingpin upgrade on Saturday,  and an interior trim piece,  and Siberian-bushed custom ADD transmission crossmember & a receiver hitch...    haven't installed any of them yet.

The Bilsteins feel excellent as expected - nice tight sporty ride on the pavement and instant mammary-like softness on speed bumps,  railroad tracks, etc.   

With all of the maintenance up to date on the engine & trans,  4.90:1 gears and new almost everything suspension-wise the handling is very confident and acceleration is.. well still not a V8 but it's pretty solid all things considered.     Can't wait to see what it does climbing hills :)

The truck does need some steel brake lines,  I can clamp hard enough to get the ABS involved but I don't like the amount of travel necessary for that.   Prefer a tighter brake pedal feel - and yeah I've bled it including the bleeder on the proportioning valve.     I think the brakes are probably about as good as they're expected to be I just personally prefer things even more crisp.

I think this Montero is ready for Utah!   8)
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: ThePug on September 25, 2017, 02:41:16 AM
I keep seein everyone post about these add products they are installing but I can't seem to find any on here where do I go to find them?
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on September 25, 2017, 08:18:28 AM
I keep seein everyone post about these add products they are installing but I can't seem to find any on here where do I go to find them?

The kingpin upgrade is here:  http://adventuredrivendesign.com/ocart/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=52

The shocks I used in this truck are here:  http://adventuredrivendesign.com/ocart/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_73&product_id=78

The other ADD products on this Montero are prototypes,  those guys use local trucks in the community as a laboratory to try stuff out and make sure it works correctly, doesn't fail,  doesn't have any unexpected problems with install or function.     It's good and bad,  it means we get to try out cool parts that aren't available any other way but it also means sometimes the parts end up demonstrating a flaw or a drawback that wasn't expected.     This is a kind of thing that Toasty and the rest of us in the AZ community have been cooking up for many years before ADD existed.. "Hey,  can I borrow  your plasma cutter?  I have an idea..."  with plenty of failures to back up the successes!   


Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: DONT_TREAD on October 02, 2017, 09:43:25 PM
the beeeeeens.... i didn't know you did your carpet also. you're a whole nother animal
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on October 03, 2017, 08:45:03 PM
the beeeeeens.... i didn't know you did your carpet also. you're a whole nother animal

It's a balancing act trying to be lagom extra without going full Jaden.

Today I finally got around to replacing those two little 1/4" coolant hoses,  I really don't think they were leaking but they did ultimately need to be replaced.. dammit.    Little jackasses were hard to get in there to undo the clamps and put the new clamps on.   

There are a couple more things I need to get accomplished THIS WEEK.. but work is kinda kicking my ass and I don't really feel like doing much after it   :( 
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: JohnnyBfromPeoria on October 03, 2017, 09:24:57 PM
There are a couple more things I need to get accomplished THIS WEEK.. but work is kinda kicking my ass and I don't really feel like doing much after it   :(

I know that feeling.

John B.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: DONT_TREAD on October 03, 2017, 10:56:44 PM
I can't stress how jelly I am of you guys, that utah trip will be epic. If you think I can be of any help I'm free in the afternoons (after 5pm) to help out.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Montero_Guy on October 03, 2017, 11:42:13 PM
This definitely is a CLEAN build haha. I've been thinking of those bilsteins but i kind of want to get the whole suspension setup to have an excuse to get the 5100s. I wish i could get time for that utah trip! Make sure you post pictures and make the rest of us regret not going!
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: jaccox on October 04, 2017, 05:38:15 AM
the beeeeeens.... i didn't know you did your carpet also. you're a whole nother animal



Today I finally got around to replacing those two little 1/4" coolant hoses,  I really don't think they were leaking but they did ultimately need to be replaced.. dammit.    Little jackasses were hard to get in there to undo the clamps and put the new clamps on.   


Are these the two small hoses coming off the T-stat housing? I was literally just eyeballing my engine compartment the other day and realized I hadn't changed those two. Everything else cooling related has been replaced or cleaned so I'm surprised those buggers didn't pop knowing my luck.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on October 04, 2017, 09:02:21 AM
This definitely is a CLEAN build haha. I've been thinking of those bilsteins but i kind of want to get the whole suspension setup to have an excuse to get the 5100s. I wish i could get time for that utah trip! Make sure you post pictures and make the rest of us regret not going!

The travel length in front is the same regardless of the shock you choose,  but the mid-travel A.D.D. setup for the rear axle is exclusively possible with 5100's.       

I haven't had the opportunity to get hard numbers or do research that could be called authoritative,  but the rumor is that the HD/4600 series have a more firm ride character than the 5100s in this application which is down to A.D.D.'s custom spec on the 5100's.      My personal butt-o-meter echoes that rumor though there are other variables like tires and the presence/absence of sway bars which differentiate the vehicles I've ridden in with either shock.      Both shocks have the same piston size and displacement and they differ only in valving, length (for rears) and paint job.

My preference is for the tight road feel of the HD's,  they give way to softness on major bumps for (my opinion) best of both worlds.    But they don't have a long travel rear.


Are these the two small hoses coming off the T-stat housing? I was literally just eyeballing my engine compartment the other day and realized I hadn't changed those two. Everything else cooling related has been replaced or cleaned so I'm surprised those buggers didn't pop knowing my luck.

Yes, those two.    The bottom clamp really, really loves its own mother and I reminded it of that fact at least once. 


I can't stress how jelly I am of you guys, that utah trip will be epic. If you think I can be of any help I'm free in the afternoons (after 5pm) to help out.

I might need some help this week eating a couple Chicago sliders up in your neighborhood.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: JohnnyBfromPeoria on October 05, 2017, 05:40:56 AM
Private hell update: Shovel's truck has a leaky heater core. This could get ugly!

John B.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: jaccox on October 05, 2017, 07:38:50 AM
Heater core sucks but it's a great time to clean out the Evap box behind the passenger dash. Mine was full of leaves sticks and anything else you could imagine coming from outside. Also some leaves and such in the blower fan housing. Needless to say my airflow increased drastically after doing my heater core. It's a crap job but as long as you go in knowing that everything that touches the frame bars that run vertically along the HVAC and radio bezel needs to come off it will save you a lot of time. This is what made my heater core a longer job than it should have been. I would removed one thing then try to wedge the box out and then remove another thing and try again. Just start by removing everything you can get your hands on. Also it's great having the piece of mind once your finished that the terrible design of the gen2.5 heater core piping is gone forever and you shouldn't worry about it for the rest of your life. If you were able to clean the bottom of your vehicle and swap the front and rear diffs by yourself I'm confident you can finish this job in 4 hours. Maybe faster if you have some nice power tools, and maybe a helper.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on February 08, 2018, 01:51:09 PM
It's been a long time since an update;   well I've just been kinda driving the thing and it just keeps working, you know?

So let's do a little roll-up.     

First, here's what IS


And what's NEXT


I think that's it for now.   So not much to take photos of,  but soon!
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on February 08, 2018, 01:54:16 PM
What sliders did you purchase?
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on February 08, 2018, 02:16:08 PM
I ordered them from a fabricator in California who builds for Toyotas/Jeeps - looks like ADD is investigating them as a full time supplier if these work out. 
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Sir_Monty on February 08, 2018, 08:46:28 PM
Nice build. What transmission shift kit did you get? Also can't wait to see those sliders on the truck.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Hooots on February 20, 2018, 11:53:48 AM
  • Body repair + paint ...  some parts have begun,  but this is a laborious process

Do you have, or know of, a local guy for this?

If you do I'm listening..........
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on February 21, 2018, 01:40:35 PM
Nice build. What transmission shift kit did you get? Also can't wait to see those sliders on the truck.

Transgo SK340 - as I understand it this is the milder of the two kits available for this trans.   

Sliders on the truck?

(https://i.imgur.com/uvdqdM2.jpg)

Don't worry,  before long some of those will be relocated to where they belong. 
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on February 21, 2018, 01:41:18 PM
  • Body repair + paint ...  some parts have begun,  but this is a laborious process

Do you have, or know of, a local guy for this?

If you do I'm listening..........

I'm my own guy for this.    I'm not super awesome at it but I'm the best in my price range!  8)

(https://i.imgur.com/4gL4Nqp.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZL4ERj1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/8lT5Erz.jpg)
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Crumb on February 21, 2018, 04:41:32 PM
 Drop that hog off at my house and i'll get them installed when you're ready homie!
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on February 21, 2018, 04:51:41 PM
Drop that hog off at my house and i'll get them installed when you're ready homie!

I have some of these coming too!   

(https://i.imgur.com/grei0Ap.jpg)
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Crumb on February 21, 2018, 10:24:06 PM
Good call!
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on February 22, 2018, 08:51:29 AM
Drop that hog off at my house and i'll get them installed when you're ready homie!

I have some of these coming too!   

(https://i.imgur.com/grei0Ap.jpg)

WHAT'RE THOOOOOSE!?!?!?
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on February 22, 2018, 09:50:19 AM
Drop that hog off at my house and i'll get them installed when you're ready homie!

I have some of these coming too!   

(https://i.imgur.com/grei0Ap.jpg)

WHAT'RE THOOOOOSE!?!?!?

It's not ideal to weld the stand-offs for the sliders directly to the side of the frame,  it's not engineered for that kind of loading and while it might work it also might tear or perforate the frame rail.     

Plates and gussets distribute that load across a much wider cross section of frame which multiplies the strength and durability of the joint - and since the plates are thicker than the frame material they allow for a better weld at the joint between themselves and the stand-off than would be possible going straight to frame.   

The hex shape (instead of a rectangle) is just going overkill,  corners concentrate load forces so by going hex or octa or round you can distribute forces across a larger weld cross section no matter which direction the forces come from.      I could have used scrap steel bits too,  but these were affordable and will give me "Job Done Right" points or something. 

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on February 22, 2018, 10:14:53 AM
Gotcha.  So where'd you get them?
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on February 22, 2018, 03:19:14 PM
Gotcha.  So where'd you get them?

I ordered the frame reinforcement plates from SlagFactory  https://www.facebook.com/SlagFactory/
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on February 28, 2018, 08:38:24 AM
I got a little bit of body work done... realized I better do it ASAP before welding on the rock sliders or there won't be any room to work!      So... I didn't do as good a job as I like to do but on the plus side it'll be covered up by the rock slider mostly and if somebody's eyeballing my paint finish on a tiny section of rocker panel maybe I don't care if they see some flaws. 

Also this is the face I show dirt.   FU DIRT!



Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on March 04, 2018, 09:11:11 AM
I wish I could figure out how to do inline attachments again.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on March 12, 2018, 09:52:57 PM
I finally put the new CV axles in, bout damn time!!!  Next up I should be receiving the relay I need for my PIAA driving lights soon, and Josh assures me the ADD rear lift coil springs I ordered are coming soon (yay!) .   

Still to do: install rear locker after Ernest has that finished for me,  new rear axle oil seals,  hack together rear platform support channels,  minor body work (very minor) and paint it.   That's kinda it, I don't have further build plans after that but sure can't wait to go use it more!!!!
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on March 26, 2018, 10:40:38 PM
Coil springs installed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYeWAfcYsFk

Sliders (https://i.imgur.com/1A7hADH.jpg) solid.

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on April 14, 2018, 06:37:56 PM








Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on April 16, 2018, 10:31:07 AM
That is interesting.  Tell me more.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on April 16, 2018, 11:45:08 AM
I bought two sets of these. (https://amzn.to/2J368me)

Some of this (https://amzn.to/2qAskfK) (it's about $13 each at Home Depot for 1"x36")

One of these (https://amzn.to/2H61enR).

Some plain (unperforated) 1" square tubing.

Then I took the seat brackets off my 3rd row seats, discarded the seats,  removed the paint from the ends of the seat brackets and welded (had Toasty weld.. he's way way better than I am) the square tube to the brackets and to the perf tube.    It was pretty strong that way but just for peace of mind I also did a couple outriggers at the end, same tubing.      I used the plastic tube caps to close off the ends so the legs don't cut into the carpet,  and so the other open ends don't become snag/cut/pain/injury/garbage/debris/whatever hazards. 

The traction boards are then held in place with carriage bolts and large fender washers at the top,  and smaller washers & wing nuts at the bottom.    Taking out all three and putting all three back in, start to finish could probably be done in sixty seconds if one cared to work quickly.     Very painless.       Each traction board is less than 6lbs according to shipping weight so I estimate the total weight of all of this with the brackets to be around 25lb or less.

The mattress is a discontinued IKEA one,  I believe it might be the same as the current Lycksele Lovas (https://www.ikea.com/us/en/catalog/products/S49840091/) - it sure looks similar.   

There used to be an IKEA mattress that folded into even thirds which might be even cooler for fitting entirely behind the back seat with the seat in its upright seating position. 
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on April 16, 2018, 01:47:52 PM
Excellent thank you!  I am probably going to unashamedly copy this completely.  This solves the biggest problem i have with putting a wood platform in the back.  I haul motors and transmissions with this thing from time to time, and if removing two rear sections is just 45 seconds with an impact driver, perfect.  :)
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on April 16, 2018, 02:47:14 PM
Copy it on up!   

I didn't like all the various platform solutions I saw from other people either... all heavy, bulky,  difficult to remove and store when not camping.     This weighs very little and even if you need to remove it,  there's almost nothing to store.   

You could probably get away with using two traction boards instead of three...  three fits perfectly but two with some space between them is plenty strong for a mattress on top.   Since you have to buy them in pairs. 

Or buy two pair, then sell the extra one or keep it as a spare, etc. 
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: concealer404 on April 16, 2018, 02:54:43 PM
I threw my 2nd and 3rd row seats in the dumpster, so i could easily fit 4.  :)
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on April 16, 2018, 09:19:29 PM
i measured it out and this mattress in a Full, or Full XL for extra length would fit:

https://www.amazon.com/LUCID-Inch-Folding-Mattress-Full/dp/B00ENUILB8?th=1

Reviews seem decent. I'm probably gonna snag one in a full.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on April 16, 2018, 09:28:35 PM
This one (https://amzn.to/2HDv0kQ) looks like literally the same image but lower price.

This  (https://amzn.to/2IYaKKf)is equal-length trifold and you can get a zippered storage case (https://amzn.to/2ESnCil) for it which is sort of cool if you're into tidy storage.

I'm probably not replacing  mine (I think it was like $20 on clearance when I got it to fit my other truck) but it will be cool to see what works best if you or anyone else goes this route.    I store mine by standing it up vertically behind my spare room futon like as if it's some sort of wall pad thing. 
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on June 18, 2018, 08:47:52 AM
Just some subtle differences from stock. 

Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Crumb on June 19, 2018, 08:28:41 AM
That blue one is really nice.
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on June 19, 2018, 09:07:18 AM
It's about to get more nice! 

I think so far money's already been dropped on:

ADD Kingpin
All new control arms, TRE's, ball joints, etc
All the good stuff for timing belt/water pump
Radiator restoration
Bling Wheels
Fancy Tires
Every liquid substance except A/C
Variety of replacement details like missing or damaged covers/caps/etc  (example, the high pressure A/C service port cap was missing..  replacement purchased)
Replacement Shocks (I think... he might be holding out for Bilsteins)
White Ball t-case shifter
Driver side power door lock
Replacement alarm/remote keyless entry/etc


We have to now actually install all that.    I've done engine oil, transmission drain/refill, transfer case and front diff lube so far as well as phase 1 radiator flushing and small incidental repair/correction stuff,  running board deletion,  and a bunch of undercarriage degacking.






Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Crumb on June 19, 2018, 06:49:18 PM
Neato!  What tires did he get?
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Shovel on June 19, 2018, 07:33:39 PM
I have no idea but Shan's not screwing around so probably something cool!
Title: Re: Gack to the Future II
Post by: Crumb on June 19, 2018, 07:53:56 PM
 Simex Centipedes!?