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Title: Goldi-Locker and the three Diamonds. 1999 Montero - Adventure Engineered.
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on December 20, 2017, 09:16:30 AM
Vehicle: 1999 Montero with locker.

Beginning specifications:
Exterior: Sudan Beige
Interior: Tan leather
Engine: 3.5 liter single over head cam V6 "6G74" - Iron block, aluminum heads, timing belt driven
Transmission: Aisin AW03-72LE - overdrive auto transmission
Transfercase: Superselect, 2wd, synchronized shift-on-the-fly awd, Standard 4wd high and low.
Axles: High pinion 8" up front, 9.5" rear with factory air locker, 4.27 differentials


Proposed specifications:
Exterior: Adventure Driven Design Livery - Grey and Blue topography over battleship grey, white top, black lower trim.
Interior: Tan canvas
Engine: 3.8 liter single over head cam V6 "6G75" - Iron block, aluminum heads, timing belt driven, eaton supercharger
Transmission: Aisin AW03-72LE - overdrive auto transmission - shift kit - larger cooler
Transfercase: Superselect, 2wd, synchronized shift-on-the-fly awd, standard 4wd high and Marks4WD 2.7:1 low.
Axles: High pinion 8" up front, 9.5" rear with factory air locker, 4.90 differentials


Day one:



Current: (will change with progress)
(https://forum.adventuredrivendesign.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=423.0;attach=339673;image)


Goldi-locker was purchased in LA quite a while back to fill the montero void in our life, after we started ADD, it became a 'stock comparison truck' ... since it wasnt modded we used it for a baseline comparison. I tolerated riding on KYB's and made due with 31" tires, daily drove the truck and showed up to any wheeling trip I could. Showing just how much you can do with a low budget truck.

After 2 years of moderate to heavy use for a stock truck, it has held up great. The vehicle will be an ADD brand ambassador for 2018 so it's time to start working it over. Friday of last week I installed a new denso alternator, new trans lines, added new fluid and put in a fresh-from-the-dealer coolant reservoir. Then stabbed four new Bilstein 5100 long travel shocks and stainless skidplates, total shock install took about two hours, 30 minutes each, I didn't take any of my wheels off and only used a floor jack and some hand tools.

The real trick to installing these long travel shocks is a good long wood working clamp, safety protection of course, and some strong string. I used the wood clamp to compress the shocks, tied them off with the string and popped them in. The trick to removing the stock shocks was to tie them off with the vehicle at rest, remove the top nuts from the fron and rear, then jack the truck up and undo the bolts, they remain compressed and slip out nice and easy. All in all, it went well.




 
Saturday I went out with the local crew to some rocky trails, the 5100's ride very plush, they soak up terrain and make washboard roads feel like mall parking lots. I was so impressed with the quality of the ride, i decided I wouldnt air down my tires so I could see just how nice the Bilstein 5100 is compared to a KYB... I did the same trail a year prior with the same truck on KYB's and it beat the shit out of me, I even aired down on that run.

The whole day went smooth, the ride was good even with the tires at full pressure, but the trail kept getting rockier and rockier, at one point as we casually strolled through a rubble road I said to myself, or maybe to my co-pilot CJ "I think I should air down" - but we were almost to the secret lake, so whatever, I'll be fine, the exit is right after the lake anyho-PSSSSH 'oh shit, is that us? That's us!" PSSSSH rear tire encountered a very sharp knife edged rock with the sidewall. My tires are Yokohama Geolander A/T-S in 31x10.50R15 on some 15x8 turbine wheels, perfect for a stock truck, especially a gen 2.5 with 4.27 gears... After swapping on the spare I caught back up with the gang and it was decided, Ive got the front 4.90's, the rears will be here soon, it's time for 33's...







Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: MrGalantguy on December 20, 2017, 10:36:57 AM
Josh..got the part# of that Denso?

The "newish" alternator the PO got installed or Nissan dealer is showing its ugly head occasionally with electrical load especially when the a/c is on....I am pretty sure its because its crappy aftermarket autozone garbage. Looking to be proactive and find either a used OEM alternator and getting it rebuilt or buying a new Denso one like you did.

Thank you and great update!!
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on December 20, 2017, 04:11:35 PM
I donít have the PN, but it was listed on rock auto (where I got this one)
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on December 22, 2017, 01:43:08 PM
I still had the box, Part number for the Denso unit is: 210-4171
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on January 05, 2018, 08:03:11 PM
Goldi got 33's...


After the last trail run, a rock put about an 8" cut in the sidewall of my tire, so i went to order a replacement... Instead we got 33's. Geolanders have a new tread design, seems to be quieter on-road and just as capable offroad with more side lug action now. I'm pleased with them.




Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on January 10, 2018, 09:29:37 AM
Today I'll be test fitting the new Adventure Driven Design stainless transmission skid plate on the 99.

While im down there I'll be removing one of my transmission lines for repair.

If you have a gen 2, check the head shield above the exhaust y-pipe merge, mine was bent and touching the trans line, vibration has caused it to rub a pin-hole and caused a minor transmission leak.

Here's a photo I really like that Johnny took on our last trip out. The 99 is looking low-slung with the 33's... time to lift it.

Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: concealer404 on January 10, 2018, 09:52:52 AM
Hrm... i wonder if that's what i'm smelling.  Can't really tell if it's burning trans fluid or coolant.  It's losing both.  Smokes from something hitting exhaust after sitting for a few days though.

Weird smell, not something i've experienced in my other vehicles before.
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on January 11, 2018, 07:43:48 PM
Turns out it rubbed the paint off. the leak was coming from the 90* fitting coming out of the side of the trans. It has a lock-nut and o-ring type washer. All the slammin an bouncin might have worked it a little loose, but it was loose. Didnt figure that out until I had pulled and pressure tested the line, but I guess better safe than sorry. Trans skid fits like a dream.


Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on March 31, 2018, 03:06:55 PM
Updates, I installed OME lift springs on the 99...

Some information regarding our suspension kits;

5100's are the softest shocks we sell, they're designed to primarily be used with our upgraded springs, they also work with the OME and they will work with stock springs, but going cheap comes at some cost.

The difference in the three springs you could be running are as follows:
Stock - follows stock progressive rate, not much to say here
OME - firmer spring for handling more weight, same length as the stock gen 2 spring, but beefier, higher progressive rate.
ADD - firmer, even more progressive and longer to handle the off-road stretch.

Due to this info, we (i say we, but these are my words) rate them as such:

Stock - budget builders, you'll have to deal with more cycling of your suspension, you might notice the rear 'bobs' after bumps like a bobber on the pond, or a waterbed after someone plops down on it (you guys remember water beds?) the factory springs and torsion bars are so soft with such a low progressive rate that when combined with our shocks; you get some float. Especially if you try to load your truck down... if you dont like it, the solution to make the most out of the shocks is to upgrade the springs and torsion bars, otherwise, the bobbing is a small price to pay for how well the shocks work off road.

I personally ran this set up until recently and was completely happy with it. I'm state certified in suspension and steering systems, on some minor level, I've got some formal education on the topic, nothing about the way my ride handled surprised me, but it could surprise you, if you're not in the know.

Upgrading the springs without upgrading torsion bars will also create an uneven ride, by increasing the load carrying ability of the rear and increasing the progressive rate of the rear, without complimenting it in the front end, or loading down your front end with a big bumper while leaving the back end empty while running stock parts can also create a fight between the front and rear suspension, this can keep things cycling for longer than you want.

The above info pertains to stock torsions and springs, not uprated ones that are engineered to handle the extra weight of a bumper and winch.

Long story short; it's suggested that if you're going to upgrade your system, do the whole thing for optimal results, or do it how you want and live with the minor nuances of a lower dollar system.


OME - Overlander, the bilstein shocks pair nice with these, the firmer spring stops the bobbing and cycling, upgraded torsion bars will really even the ride out, but once you've upgraded springs, the cycling pretty much ends, as long as you're not running a serious front bumper. Loading down the rear wont change how the truck rides and you can attach a trailer without sag (stock springs will drop the ass)

ADD - Rock crawler, you're running these for max flex, chances are you're also running our panhard bar and torsion bars at this point. Cycling of the suspension is eliminated and there's no worry of unseated springs at full articulation. The front will handle a bumper and winch, the rear will handle a trailer or a ton of gear... Get an extended brake line if you're running mid or long travel shocks because at that point you've got the coil and shock length to really droop that bitch out and rip that line off, if you were to jump the truck, that is... ;)

I hope this helps to reveal some of the mystery regarding suspension upgrades.

These photos are prior to the lift install, i'll take more in the coming weeks, I've been checking measurements to ensure the springs are fully settled prior to posting photos:








Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: reversecaoboy on April 04, 2018, 10:59:54 AM
Thank you for the tips on the suspension! It was a concern of mine and I was going to email about running the 5100's on stock springs. Guess I will be getting OME springs and torsion bars afterall.
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: Se7en62 on April 04, 2018, 11:29:01 AM
Nice thread, Josh! Teh Goldi-locker is so purdy!
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on April 25, 2018, 09:15:06 PM
Thanks guys.


The Gen 2.5 Montero - the ultimate USDM Montero chassis in my opinion. Humble, simple starts for mitsu in the 80's, the gen 1, no diesel option, but it did a good job with the tractor engine and minivan motor, then the gen 2 they snuck in the locker and quad cam engine, they were on the right track... The big-three lobbyists are the easiest to blame for turning it into an overweight and underpowered safety blob for soccer-moms nationwide. Had I sat down with mitsu engineers back in the day, I'd say do it like this:

4.90 gears, 3.8 liter engine, supercharger.
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: MrGalantguy on April 26, 2018, 06:39:50 AM
Thanks guys.


The Gen 2.5 Montero - the ultimate USDM Montero chassis in my opinion. Humble, simple starts for mitsu in the 80's, the gen 1, no diesel option, but it did a good job with the tractor engine and minivan motor, then the gen 2 they snuck in the locker and quad cam engine, they were on the right track... The big-three lobbyists are the easiest to blame for turning it into an overweight and underpowered safety blob for soccer-moms nationwide. Had I sat down with mitsu engineers back in the day, I'd say do it like this:

4.90 gears, 3.8 liter engine, supercharger.

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/4a/4a59d2a4bd56b9ff206629c7368bd9843f9100e996a2b58ce121a6a3016fd8cd.jpg)
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on May 24, 2018, 02:31:33 PM
I recently added a little flair. I'm not keen on the colors, the contrast of gold against copper brings the orange out in the copper and im not a big fan of it. I'd like to do this in sticker form, with thinner silver and blue lines like the company logo. but this is a proof of concept and my first article attempt, everything can be revised!

I do absolutely love the hood vents though, i can watch heat pumping out of them in traffic, but even more I love how they look, like an early EVO, rally bred. They transform the truck from looking docile and lumbering to agile and AGGRESSIVE (that's for Eric)





Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: PA_JERO on May 24, 2018, 09:58:21 PM
I debate about the hood vents all the time. Never know how much they help. I dig the look though dude, keep it up.
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: concealer404 on May 25, 2018, 08:24:37 AM
What vents are those?  Doesn't look like the panel you dudes sell.
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on May 25, 2018, 08:47:41 AM
What vents are those?  Doesn't look like the panel you dudes sell.

It's recently added, i've been trying to add a product to the site every week, sometimes I add a few, sometimes I add none, but the site grows often.

http://shop.adventuredrivendesign.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=71_73&product_id=190
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: Se7en62 on May 25, 2018, 08:56:04 AM
I dig the louvers. Do you have a closer picture of them inside and outside?
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on May 25, 2018, 09:01:20 AM
I debate about the hood vents all the time. Never know how much they help. I dig the look though dude, keep it up.

thanks homie! You've been to the race track and seen all the cars sitting with hoods up, not because they need work (most of the time), im sure you know, that's to let all the heat out so it's not heat-soaked on the next pass. Heat soaking doesn't just drop engine performance (usually in the form of lost timing advance), it will drop the longevity of the engine, seals and hoses, and our engines get terribly heat soaked going slow on these trails, you know this first hand.

I want to data-log engine parameters with and without the vents, i think JB has a spare hood but i could swap with anyone, i would love to run the same section of trail from a warm start, log coolant, oil and trans temp, timing advance and AFR's, i'd need a little more equipment for some of that, then compare. Even at minimal gains it's worth it in my book, mostly cause it looks bitchin'! haha.
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on May 25, 2018, 09:02:35 AM
I dig the louvers. Do you have a closer picture of them inside and outside?

There's a close-up photo on the website, or are you asking about close-ups of them on my hood?
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: Crumb on May 25, 2018, 09:08:59 AM
 I no longer have any stake in this BUT i do have actual Evo hood vents and test hood to install some day (or never). I like the science and testing of things, If you would like i have the tools and control vehicle to science up your new vents. We could check internal temps to the degree and external temps +/- 3 degrees so that you can attach a physical number to the gains. I sent an IR temp gun to another guy with vents as well so it would be a neat experiment to do a comparison to determine the best location to install vents with gains/losses over stock.
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker gets upgrades. 1999 Montero
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on May 25, 2018, 09:17:59 AM
You're welcome to come play scientist when/if I conduct the experiment.
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker and the three Diamonds. 1999 Montero - Adventure Engineered.
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on July 22, 2018, 06:00:32 PM
Paint it black.

I painted the bumpers black and took the truck to Mitsubishi Owners' Day and then camping and offroading, total trip miles, 1500. Trip report is here (https://www.expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/goldi-locker-and-the-three-diamonds-3-days-prep-1-week-on-the-road-1500-miles-2-brothers.196114/).















Title: Re: Goldi-Locker and the three Diamonds. 1999 Montero - Adventure Engineered.
Post by: reversecaoboy on October 11, 2018, 08:11:46 AM
Josh, I've been meaning to ask, How is the 5100/OME combo unloaded? I daily my Montero and usually the back is empty or has about 50lbs of crap back there, and when camping I hardly have any more than 200-300lbs.
Title: Re: Goldi-Locker and the three Diamonds. 1999 Montero - Adventure Engineered.
Post by: IncorpoRatedX on October 12, 2018, 07:27:30 AM
That's pretty much how I run. I like it, I drove eric's on 4600's and prefer mine with the 5100s. I'll take you for a ride in it and let you decide.